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Women's Rights by PunkNarumi Women's Rights by PunkNarumi
Women's Rights shouldn't be
Women getting what they want
And men apologising for having penises

Yes, I should get equal pay for equal work. Yes, I should be allowed to go to school and have a job. Yes, I should be allowed to never marry, support myself, and not raise kids if I so choose.

However, the implications of the word feminism has become nothing more than women living a fantastic life of their dream job and spending their whipped husbands' money after getting offended that he didn't cook dinner AND hold the door for her.

It's reverse discrimination and it's wrong.

Feminism has become an awful movement I'd never want a part of. Why? Because it hates men for nothing and takes away a woman's rights, saying she is an awful person for wanting to be a stay-at-home mom, or that she has to have a traditional "man's" job.

I understand this isn't all feminists, nor is it the true point, but I will only be a part of something that is truly for equal rights--and in my eyes, that isn't it.

Edit: SO many people keep bringing up the fact that all feminists aren't like that. If you've read the above, you would see that I understand that. The point is that the term feminist hurts the cause. Why? Because even if extremists are the minority and have nothing to do with the general group's feelings or decisions, they have tainted it. If I ask almost anyone I know, they'll say they hate feminists. The extremists are hurting the equal rights movement and have, in the public eye, taken over this section of it. I say cut it off before it rots the rest.

Super edit! After talking to someone, I realised something that might help. I study linguistics. I eat, sleep, and breathe language. I plan to be a syntactician, which would also mean I'll work with semantics some. Word choice is important to me, and the implications embedded in the word "feminism make me uncomfortable. How about "equal rights activist" or "gender egalitarian"? Better, how about "good person"? I'm NOT saying you're a bad person for being a feminist, I'm saying that I disagree with the term. I'm NOT saying this is what feminism is, I'm saying that it's uncomfortably close to implying this to me. Regardless, the stamp itself says nothing on feminism and merely speaks to what you all like to call "feminazis". I even had a discussion with a feminist friend not long ago; we agreed that we were saying the same thing under different terms.
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MarvelscaleMilotic Featured By Owner Edited Nov 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, the way I see it, there are two types of feminism:
- the ones who want men and women to be equal, a group I'll gladly support. In this context, the words "feminism", "humanism" and "equalism" are pretty much interchangable.
- the other group consists of man-haters, people who want women to get rights at the cost of men and who want to solve all women's problems but do nothing about men's problems. These can be called "radical feminists" and "misandrists".

I believe in equality, and that's also why I don't like the term "feminism", since it's biased in favour of women. Yes, women face more sexism than men, so it's understandable, but men also face discrimination and unrealistic standards, so the term "feminism" feels too biased to me. I prefer "equalism", because I believe everybody is equal, regardless of gender, skin colour, religion, political views, nationality, sexual preference or whatever. But I have no problem with calling myself a feminist in an equality-minded context.

I also don't fully agree with the term "patriarchy", something feminists often talk about, while people describing themselves as "equalists" or "humanists" do not. After all, men face problems too, and I don't think those are caused by so-called patriarchy. Those are caused by the opposite: bias in favour of women, think about divorces and child custody, or men getting punished when being accused of rape without proof while men saying they're raped, mistreated, beaten up or depressed won't be taken seriously. Both men and women face sexism and problems, so there's "patriarchy" in some issues, but 'matriarchy" in others. I don't think this society is a full-on "patriarchy". This is another reason why I prefer calling myself "equalist" over "feminist". But again, when it comes to pure equal rights without bias to either gender, I'm okay with calling myself "feminist" in such a context.

I completely understand why many feminists still prefer the word "feminist": because women still face more opression and issues than men, which I acknowledge. However, many people, including ones supporting full-on gender equality, refuse to identify as "feminist", because of the radical sound, the negative connotation, the association with misandry many people have. Because of that, I think equality-supporting feminists and masculinists should work together in one movement called "equalism". Here, there is no place for radical feminists or masculinists, only for people supporting full equality, people who oppose all gender inequalities. The people in this movement focus on both genders's issues, not just one gender's issues. That way, such a movement will gain much more support and sympathy. With a term called "equalism", the term has no bias towards one gender, so way more people will see this movement as an equality movement. Too often, feminism is seen as an anti-men movement, even though that's not justified (outside of the radicals), and changing the name into "equalism" and focusing on both genders will solve that problem.

Eventually, the goal is equality, and then, whether it's called feminism or equalism shouldn't matter to the supporters of this movement. What does matter is coming closer to equality. And with the term "equalism", I believe this is much easier than with the term "feminism".
xXShaddowHunterXx Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Student General Artist
Real feminism is only about equality between men and women, not about hitting on men.
Feminists who fight for men being abused are no real feminists.

A shame to see what a bad image feminism got during the last few years :(
Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2014  Professional Photographer
If you study linguistics, did you bother to see what the definition of feminism actually is?  Or would you rather continue to let anti-feminists on the internet define it for you?

It has nothing to do with hating men, nor discouraging women from being stay-at-home moms, nor stealing money from husbands (seriously, where do you get this stuff?)

Feminism is about building economic, political, and social gender equality.  That's it.

Now, there's another step that involves analysis - taking a step back to realize that women don't have that equality right now.  Every president int he history of the US has been a man and men lead every legislature in every state in the country, and lead every industry in every sector.  They get paid more money than women for the same work, and institutional sexism manifests itself in our society in such a way to make women have to live in fear of being raped or assaulted.  We're not even treated the same way as men are with respect to the draft and we only recently won the fight to be "allowed" into combat zones in the military.  So we have a few problems to address.

That's what feminism is about.
Adoptables-Hoe Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  New member Hobbyist Artist
The reason every president in America is male is because there are barely any women who bother to run for US president. 

And are you still going on about the wage gap that doesn't exist?
Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014  Professional Photographer
Actually, 198 women have run for president or vice president in the short amount of time since women finally won the right to vote.

And yes.  A substantial and measurable wage gap remains in the US even if you control for hours worked, education, position, experience and anything else you could think to control for.…
Adoptables-Hoe Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  New member Hobbyist Artist
I mean in the past. Obviously, women did not have voting rights at that time, but people still seem to think that women never ever do. I'm glad you showed me the statistics, though.

But I doubt that they weren't elected for the sole fact that they are women (though there probably are people out there that voted against her.)

On a different note, the wage gap has been debunked countless times. I'd be welcome to link you, but I'm on antibiotics right now and I totally doubt this comment is even logical.
Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Professional Photographer
What do you mean by "I mean in the past"?

I already linked you to a large number of academic studies and a clear analysis that there's a gender wage gap.

Sexism is funny, right?  Some people will explicitly vote against someone because they're a woman while others might refuse to donate them because they "clearly can't win," etc.
Adoptables-Hoe Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  New member Hobbyist Artist
That's because the studies seem to group all people together. Why should a woman who works in gender studies get the same pay as a man who works in STEM research?

And if a woman is earning less that a man in the *same* job, then tell the damn management. My mother did that when she was earning less, and they fixed it.

Sexism is 2spoop.
Briannabater Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Professional Photographer
Again, a substantial and measurable wage gap remains in the US even if you control for hours worked, education, position, experience and anything else you could think to control for. 

It sounds like your mother herself experienced a gender wage gap and she was only able to address it by speaking up.

I'm speaking up to to help address it for all women. 
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