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Women's Rights by PunkNarumi Women's Rights by PunkNarumi
Women's Rights shouldn't be
Women getting what they want
And men apologising for having penises


Yes, I should get equal pay for equal work. Yes, I should be allowed to go to school and have a job. Yes, I should be allowed to never marry, support myself, and not raise kids if I so choose.

However, the implications of the word feminism has become nothing more than women living a fantastic life of their dream job and spending their whipped husbands' money after getting offended that he didn't cook dinner AND hold the door for her.

It's reverse discrimination and it's wrong.

Feminism has become an awful movement I'd never want a part of. Why? Because it hates men for nothing and takes away a woman's rights, saying she is an awful person for wanting to be a stay-at-home mom, or that she has to have a traditional "man's" job.

I understand this isn't all feminists, nor is it the true point, but I will only be a part of something that is truly for equal rights--and in my eyes, that isn't it.

Edit: SO many people keep bringing up the fact that all feminists aren't like that. If you've read the above, you would see that I understand that. The point is that the term feminist hurts the cause. Why? Because even if extremists are the minority and have nothing to do with the general group's feelings or decisions, they have tainted it. If I ask almost anyone I know, they'll say they hate feminists. The extremists are hurting the equal rights movement and have, in the public eye, taken over this section of it. I say cut it off before it rots the rest.


Super edit! After talking to someone, I realised something that might help. I study linguistics. I eat, sleep, and breathe language. I plan to be a syntactician, which would also mean I'll work with semantics some. Word choice is important to me, and the implications embedded in the word "feminism make me uncomfortable. How about "equal rights activist" or "gender egalitarian"? Better, how about "good person"? I'm NOT saying you're a bad person for being a feminist, I'm saying that I disagree with the term. I'm NOT saying this is what feminism is, I'm saying that it's uncomfortably close to implying this to me. Regardless, the stamp itself says nothing on feminism and merely speaks to what you all like to call "feminazis". I even had a discussion with a feminist friend not long ago; we agreed that we were saying the same thing under different terms.
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WildFangStudios Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. I am a female but I clearly understand how SOME feminists go overboard. The truth is that there's radicals on every side and, as you said, "...even if extremists are the minority and have nothing to do with the general group's feelings or decisions, they have tainted it." Everyone wants equal rights and often with good reason, but if anyone wants their voice to be heard, they have to be willing to listen to both sides and be rational, not mean-spirited or disrespectful.
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YES! The semantics are my biggest problem, as well. But everything else you said is pretty much exactly what I think.
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should NOT be taken seriously**** arg kill me
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also, women are pretty damn far from be living a fantastic life. and even further from demanding men to cook.
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"However, the implications of the word feminism has become nothing more than women living a fantastic life of their dream job and spending their whipped husbands' money after getting offended that he didn't cook dinner AND hold the door for her."

I honestly don't know what you are talking about. i don't think there really is a 'reverse discrimination' of that kind going on at all. what exists is, men get seriously damn butthurt and feel threatened by women calling out on the bullshit imposed to them, like it's a damn competition, and it's not. so to everything women say is done wrong to them, men will say that changing that will somehow fuck them up. this a fallacy and i'm tired of it. Feminists who even dream of saying ridiculous shit like 'men should be castrated' should be taken seriously and for shit's sake, that's not the right anyone is fighting for.
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ErtemSzulettel Jan 20, 2014
What they mean is that most feminist groups have started demanding more rights and entitlement for middle-class, white Women in the West, those who aren't oppressed or discriminated against on a daily basis rather than working towards the liberation of women living in Patriarchal systems (such as those that can be found in Eastern countries), women of colour, lower-class or homeless women, disabled or mentally ill women, and transgender individuals.
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The problem is that you are wrong about middle-class women in the west not being oppressed. Feminism has never "demanded" any absurd, unfair entitlement, all it has achieved was simple rights every human being should have access to and it was extremely needed and heloful when it started and still is nowadays - of course things are much much better now and women have the rights they deseve and are a little more respected but not as respected as they should be - but in the social hierarchy we are still bellow men and we have evidences of that on a daily bases. I dare you to find one woman over 30 in the so called first world who hasn't suffered sex harassment [which only happens because some people lack respect for women, no other reason] and i dare you to find any woman of any age who hasn't been underestimated or ignored [= discriminated] for being a female. and apparently many men are, understandably, incapable of seeing that because, fuck empathy and why would they give a shit when itdoesn'y affect them, right? Biggest proof of that is the  backlash of feminism where some white men are butthurt and hate feminism for taking away some of what they see as privileges, like fucking marital rape [that is a small group but out there there is a shit load of men actually butthurt about not being able to abuse women as they could in the old days. there are dozens of websites where men unite to bash women and actually harass them online to the point of threatening, creating online lists with their address and shit]

But yeah, women of colour, women in eastern countries are beyond fucked, women in most third world countries too [im from brasil, live now in the US and honestly not a big difference] take more shit, but make no mistake - women in general still take more shit.
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ErtemSzulettel Jan 20, 2014
I agree that women still face discrimination at the hands of men but from where I stand, it's no different from the discrimination that men face on a daily basis at the hands of women.

Living in the Western World women have the right to vote, to education, to work, to own property, to pursue a military career, to refuge, to live her life without being dependent on a male. Yes, we have issues that we face on a daily basis but so do men so I do not and cannot consider women living the the Western World as oppressed.

You mention sexual harassment which is still rife, yet you don't mention that women have more facilities available to help when faced with emotion or physical abuse than men do (where I live, women have over 500, men have 23) even thought statistics show that the abuse of men and women is equal. You mention being underestimated or ignored, yet make no mention of the underestimation of men of colour and gay men on a daily basis.

These things are not gendered issues, they are human issues and if feminism were about equality, then it would be looking to fix all of these problems not just strive for equality where women are disadvantaged yet ignore the areas where women hold an advantage (such as the judicial and custodial systems).

As it is, feminist's have invaded male safe-spaces to tell them they got what they deserved, boycotted meetings discussing the building of refuges for male victims and protested against the inclusion of male rape victims and female rapists in rape laws. If women were oppressed, truly oppressed, they would not have the power to do that.
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I'm sorry but i disagree. Women face discrimination by the hands of men and women AND themselves very often. Men don't suffer that kind of discrimination, only a few "stereotypes" that are mostly imposed by the patriarchy which is what feminism is trying to end anyway. Men are not discriminated for being men - there are sex stereotypes but not discrimination and belief that they are inferior because of their gender, on the contrary. 

Women are not oppressed by law, only socially, they are. Get raped and try getting people to take you seriously and not immediately assume you were dressing like a whore and that it was your own fault, and you'll see how non-oppressed you are. It's only a social issue. I think it's getting better anyway, but yeah. To me what makes it clear that discrimination against women IS a gender issue is how much people objectify women and lay their value on looks and sex appeal. Proof that a lot of men don't respect them as equal is how much violence, particularly sexual violence, is directed toward them. Raping and sexually harassing and domestic violence happen because some men don;t respect women and feel entitled to do as they please, simple as that. Women treat men as humas and yet women still get treated as inferior or as objects faaaar too often. An awful lot of men still seriously assume most women don't have interests or personality or anything that's worth other than a sex opportunity. 

I don't know what kind of asshole you;'re talking about but No true feminism movement have and ever will "boycott" buildings of refuges for males, feminism has never ever been about boycotting men in any way, on the contrary, they get involved in such causes, and it was feminism that recently managed the only campaign to EVER in history substantially decrease cases of domestic violence. The most influential "activism" for men's rights, "men's rights moviment", google it, does not help men in need, men who face domestic violence, rape, they don;t help anyone at all, all they do - and i mean it, ALL they do - is talk about how women are inferior and only good for sex. Men are so discriminated and in need that all they bother doing is complain about evil feminist taking away their marital right to rape their wives, i mean??? 

Anyways. we might as well agree to disagree. But just to make it clear i realize that things are infinitely better now than back then but i still believe females are the only ones being actually discriminated by their gender, and that ridiculous assholes groups out there who call themselves feminists are an insignificant minority that a lot of people keep using as an excuse to bash women and feminism in general. There are people who actually use that to argue that women shouldn't be allowed to open their shitty mouths and that their heads are empty.

because you seem interesting, check this out: manboobz.com, very funny and shows you what people against feminism are like.
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ErtemSzulettel Jan 20, 2014
Being a rape victim, I was slightly offended by your Get raped and try getting people to take you seriously and not immediately assume you were dressing like a whore and that it was your own fault, and you'll see how non-oppressed you are comment, considering my rapist was female and I was ignored primarily because of misandristic rape laws that state women are not capable of rape... but I will attempt to leave my sensitivities out of this.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on a lot of these issues. I have talked to many feminists which make me doubt the movement, and have been the target of feminist hate because of my views which is why I have the sceptical views that I have. Even though this is the case, I acknowledge that feminism is a broad movement and as with any movement of considerable size, it has it's extremists.

Anyway, I respect your opinions even if they do not align with mine and I hope that you can respect mine.
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